“Ramblin’ On” About Led Zeppelin II   Or I Got Blisters on My Eardrums!

Did you catch Train on The Howard Stern Show last week? The group performed a new, not particularly memorable single from their upcoming album and then at Howard’s request launched into a spectacular cover of “What Is And What Should Never Be” from Led Zeppelin II —an album originally released October 22nd, 1969.

For the mathlexic, that’s almost 45 years ago. So how ironic was it that at some point during Train’s Stern Show appearance, group leader and singer Pat Monahan mentioned Kisses on the Bottom (which he incorrectly called “Kisses on the Bum”), Paul McCartney’s homage to the formative songs the ex-Beatle grew up listening to?

Monahan incorrectly inferred from the standards album that McCartney was “out of touch” with what kids today listen to.

The album title is a line from Fats Waller’s 1935 tune “I’m Gonna Sit Right Down and Write Myself a Letter”.

The heart of the Lennon-McCartney writing genius arguably occurred between 1965 and 1968 or around 30 years after Waller sang a song written by Fred Ahlert and Joe Young.

So there was Monahan singing a 45 year old song complaining about McCartney singing one that was fresher in 1967 than “What Is And What Should Never Be” is today.

Does that make any sense to you? Maybe not. It does to me. Maybe to a twenty year old today, Led Zeppelin’s music sounds like what Fats Waller’s did to me when I was twenty, which was around the time Revolver was released. And I knew that song because we had a player piano and that was one of the piano rolls. It sure sounded ancient to me at the time. Ironically today it doesn’t sound quite as old.

These Led Zep reissues must not sound too old to a lot of people because as I write this, all three albums of really old music are on Billboard’s Top 10 album chart!

No doubt some oldsters are re-buying on CD hoping that they’ll sound better than the unpleasant-sounding 1993 CD releases, but clearly Led Zeppelin’s first three albums, forty plus years after first being released, have a younger generation’s attention.

I’ve been spending what might seem like way too much time comparing and dissecting various pressings of Led Zeppelin II almost 45 years after its debut as if it really mattered. Actually I think it does.

Perhaps “classic” rock from the ‘50s, ‘60s and ‘70s is becoming like long enduring “classical” music except that only the original recording counts and the interpretations to be judged are not different performances by different orchestras and conductors but rather different masterings of the same material. The same might be said of jazz from that same era.

The judgment to be made is not merely about which “sounds” best, but rather about which best communicates the musician’s musical and emotional intentions.

Train’s appearance made me realize how different today’s music scene is than that of the era during which Led Zeppelin held sway. Monahan made no effort to hide his real self behind a mystery affectation like, say, “The Thin White Duke” or “The Lizard King”. He was honestly being himself. He wasn’t trying to build a wall or create a persona.

True, Stern has a way of breaking down that wall but Monahan wasn’t even trying to create one. He talked about his golf game. The only rock star I can recall from the previous age willing to admit to being a golfer was Alice Cooper.

I have it on good authority that Bob Dylan is an avid golfer but he doesn’t want anyone to know, so covetous is Bob of his image. Just the thought of Bob Dylan standing on the first tee with a driver in his hands seems wrong.

Dylan plays golf but he covers his head and tries to disappear on the course. I doubt you’ll hear him talk about his golf game any time soon. Today’s musicians could care less about maintaining an air of mystery. That’s too bad because that era was fun, particularly for adolescents wanting to fantasize about a different reality. Of course today’s kids can more easily disappear into video games.

The music today is similarly lacking in oversized personalities compared to back in the 60s and 70s. Where are the larger than life giants? Where are the virtuousi? The guitar monsters? The new legends? Other than John Legend, who is a nice guy and not much of a legend. What happened in rock also happened in jazz. Where are the larger than life giants like Monk, Miles, Coltrane, Art Blakey and Mingus? There are none. Where are the guitar greats? The saxophone colossi?

There are very good jazz musicians and some very good rockers like Jack White but most are almost annoyingly introspective and purposefully smaller than life. Are there any like Page or Plant? Or even David Lee Roth? Or Monk? Or ( insert your fave here). Not really. Lady Ga Ga had it sort of going for a short time.

Which helps explain why Led Zeppelin still matters not just to aging boomers, but to young people looking for some musical entity bold, brash and big to look up to and get excited about.

Led Zep was a band of enormous gestures in an age of big ones. The name says it all: it was heavy, but it could soar. The group lifted a lot but made it their own (including for a while taking credit for songs they didn’t write).

They combined blues with rock, with folk, with psychedelia and with cartoonish, misogynist sex at a time when sexually cool hippies years before had rejected as “sexist” their brand of swagger once previously popular in the ‘40s and ‘50s. It’s why Elvis became not at all cool only to become so again after his death.

At a time when it was PC properly said as “let me caress your breasts”, Led Zeppelin was saying “Let me cop a feel off your titties, bitch!”

“You need coolin’ I ain’t foolin’” could just as easily have been sung to a car as a woman. In fact, the next gen’s Led Zep, AC/DC, sang “Shook Me All Night Long” (“She was a fast machine/She kept her motor clean) as if it was about a car. Queen’s Roger Taylor dispensed altogether with metaphor by singing “I’m in Love With My Car”—and he meant it!

The music on Led Zeppelin’s debut album can be heard as being drawn from Jeff Beck’s Truth album, arguably the first “heavy” album but by the second one, it was obvious that this band was riffing into the future with future proof swagger.

I chose to cover the second album first because for record collectors, it holds greater interest. There’s the legendary Robert Ludwig first cut that was quickly withdrawn from the American market, supposedly after it proved too hot a cut for Ahmet Ertegun’s daughter’s turntable.

There’s the equally legendary “plum label” UK original. It’s important to remember that though they were from the UK, Led Zeppelin was first signed to American Atlantic Records, which is why the original UK pressing says “Under License From Atlantic Records Corp, USA, Manufactured by Polydor Records Ltd.”.

Sitting here comparing the new reissue cut from 96/24 files with two original (but not RL) pressings, with the original “plum label” UK release, with a later WEA orange/green reissue, with the 2001 Classic Records reissue, with an 80’s era Japanese pressing, not to mention the execrable 1993 CD remaster and with 96/24 files can make one question one’s sanity and/or produce a “what the hell am I doing with my life?” moment.

Once you do the work though, the importance of it becomes clear—that is if you think the music is important, and I do. It’s clearly stood the test of time judging by the chart action and by how much fun it still is to hear, especially since the blues, once a pop staple (as opposed to Pops Staples), has been drained from today’s radio fare. Salacious fun has been replaced by mechanical, puerile sex

Hell, there are people who day in, day out sample wine, coffee, olive oil, you name it, the same way some of us sample pressing quality. This is no more or less important, particularly for people who love listening to recorded music.

So here’s what I did: first I played the new reissue straight through and rather than dissect it, I just let it wash over me at high SPLs. That’s what a big-ass, full range system is designed to do and that’s how I listened. And then I judged the experience without prejudice, though I had a pretty good idea of what the other versions would deliver.

Look, there are few albums in my collection that feature the kind of gross overload distortion obvious on this master tape (one would be Bill Evans’ and jJim Hall’s Undercurrent). I don’t think it was an accident. They wanted to push the limits and they did. They wanted a big-ass drum sound, searing, crunching guitars and psychedelic sound effects rivaling Hendrix’s (which Kramer also created) and they got them, but where the big dynamics should have dug in and taken the ride to Pike’s Peak, on this album they hit the wall and went into overload.

It’s important in this discussion to remember the tape’s age. It’s been more than a decade since Bernie Grundman had his go round and ten plus years in the life of a forty plus year old tape is a long time. We don’t know the tape’s condition either physically or sonically.

“Whole Lotta Love” immediately made obvious this reissue’s smooth frequency balance. That’s probably to what Page and Metropolis mastering engineer John Davis paid most attention.

The reissue on vinyl seemed to be a linear and honest accounting of a very familiar album. Nothing “stuck out” in a negative way. It didn’t sound like it had been cynically EQ’d and that was positive. At first I found myself saying “This has the smoothness and drive of a master tape.” I was impressed, though the spatial presentation seemed meek, particularly during the song’s “orgasmatron” break. The spatial swirling and what sounds like manual tape drag across the heads yielded only a small amount of the familiar three-dimensionality and spaciousness found on AAA releases. The individual cymbal hits in that psychedelic break lacked sparkle and the familiar precision-crackle. The whole event lacked mystery and then when Bonham machine guns the drums ending it, instead of an interruption eruption the changeover was anything but abrupt.

On “What Is And What Should Never Be” it became apparent, even without comparing to other versions, that the song’s overall musical intent wasn’t being fully communicated. That’s something tied as much to feel as sound, though the sound was tonally well balanced but spatially mashed together and lacking in detail delineation.

You can barely make out the flanging effects on Plant’s voice.

Again, the break lacks drama. It begins with that menacing, growling Page guitar lick eruption that should send shivers but just doesn’t. It doesn’t even erupt.The bass line was homogenized and the attack softened. Textures sounded bland.

Microdynamic gestures—very familiar ones—seemed to have been lost. This is a song recorded with an almost impossible amount of overload distortion that usually tears up the song’s fabric for the better but here it seems to have been patched up and smoothed over. The album’s grit and edge seemed worn down.

Switching to the Classic Records 180g reissue from 2001 produced “shock and awe”. I also have the 200g reissues but the 180s were good enough!

Classic claims to have mastered from the original two track tapes, not the EQ’d production master, which I assume is also what Davis and Page used (to be clear I mean the original not EQ'd production master), but these two masterings could not sound more different.

The Classics, mastered by Bernie Grundman, produce so much more detail and resolve so much more information, so much greater sense of three-dimensionality you almost wonder if both are sourced from the same tapes.

Grundman claims to have used very little EQ per Page’s advice, feeding the signal into a Haeco stereo tubed cutting amplifier driving a Westrex cutter head on a Scully lathe. Two things were immediately obvious: either the Classic’s top end had been jacked up somewhat, or the new reissue’s had been tamped down to produce flatter response. Or the tape’s top end has further receded into the magnetic ooze from whence it originally came.

In some ways I better liked the reissue’s smooth spectral balance but I much preferred the Classic’s enormous three-dimensional soundstage, far greater overall detail and especially its transient clarity that I didn’t think was caused by the slight high frequency lift. Instrumental separation was far superior as were instrumental timbres, especially (ironically) Page’s guitars, which go from bone crunching to gossamer, from hell to heaven and back on the Classic vinyl but are homogenized on the new reissue. Compare his solo on “Heartbreaker” on the new reissue with the one on the Classic reissue. One’s floating in greater space and has transient detail to spare. The other sounds good but doesn’t “sear”.

Here are two short 96/24 excerpts of the "Heartbreaker" guitar solo. One is the current reissue, one the Classic reissue. Do you prefer one over the other? If so please comment (give the files sufficient time to load).

Sample 1

Sample 2

Page shortchanges himself in my opinion with this mastering but more so John Paul Jones’s bass work. The extension is great—better than on Classic’s take— but textural details get lost and transient definition blunted.

Bonham’s work takes the greatest hit on this record though. When Bonham hits the cymbals harder you hear it on the Classic reissue. All of Bohnam’s microdynamic intent is communicated. On the new reissue the small dynamic differences that communicate intent blend into one level, quelling musical excitement. The cymbal’s shimmer and ring on the Classic losses its metallic edge on the reissue, though which you prefer might be system dependent. You get the picture.

Moving on to the legendary “plum label” UK original, finds a tonal balance that’s more similar to the new reissue than to the Classic reissue. However, the plum label original shares the Classic’s three-dimensionality and air, its transient excellence and its macro and microdynamic detail. Plus it has the new reissue’s ballsy bottom end but with greater definition. Its legendary status is well-deserved! Surprisingly, the later WEA orange/green pressing, which is a different mastering altogether shares much of the plum label’s greatness.

Forget about the ‘80s Japanese pressing (Warner-Pioneer P-10101A). It confirms my suspicion that many Japanese pressings of that era were cut on systems using 8 bit digital delay lines instead of preview heads. It’s flat and dead and decay is cut off at the knees.

The original CD mastering done by the late, great George Marino with Page supervising back in 1990 is basically unlistenable. Clearly not Marino’s fault. He was great. The problem was with converters of that time. It’s sad and hilarious to read on Amazon.com the praises of this mastering. It’s unlistenable especially if you try to turn it up. And if you can’t turn up Led Zeppelin what’s the point?

While we’re in the digital domain, if all you own are those CDs and you live in the digital world, do not hesitate to buy this as a 96/24 download. It sounds so much better than the original CD you’ll think you’re listening to a different recording, not a different mastering.

The post RL American original (1841 Broadway label) is not worth the vinyl it is pressed on. When Ahmet Ertegun ordered it recut, whoever did the deed slammed it hard. It’s dull, dynamically compressed and just a waste. It’s to be avoided! If that’s your reference, you have no idea what this recording really sounds like! Any reissue other than the Japanese will do.

I did get to hear an “RL” pressing last year at the home of Atlantic Records CEO Craig Kallman, who is easily the most dedicated vinyl fanatic probably on this earth. I think he’s got upwards of 750,000 records. Of course the RL crushed the original. It is worth whatever it costs for you to get one, if this record means that much to you.

The Deluxe Edition’s Second Disc

The second disc in the deluxe set contains rough mixes, backing tracks, and other sonic ephemera. The first thing you’ll notice is how much better sounding the opening mono work track of “Whole Lotta Love” is to the final version. It’s not even close! Otherwise the sound is good studio demo quality. If this is the best they could do for outtakes and unreleased, clearly the band didn’t waste time in the studio. You won’t learn much and it’s hardly necessary unless you are a Led Zeppelin fanatic.

Shades of Brown

The packaging is okay. What is the correct shade of brown for the cover? I have no idea. Every version has a different color brown. The English covers are dark. The plum label cover has no blue in the clouds and a yellowish sepia toned photo. The second UK pressing has blue clouds and greater contrast in the photo. The original America pressing has the best cover: nicely textured heavy stock, a coffee brown, blue clouds, and pleasing sepia balance (are you barfing yet?). Both the Classic and Japanese are close to the original American. The new reissue’s cover is very pale and inexplicably features a different rear cover that uses the front cover but tinted with blues and greens, thus breaking up the original’s front to back cover flow. Go figure.

Conclusion

The overall tonal balance of this reissue is probably as honest a rendering as you’ll hear. It sounds similar to the “plum label” original, so tonally it gets an “A”. Spatially and dynamically it gets a “B-“. The picture is rather flat, space is limited and I’d say some dynamic compression was applied. If not, it sure sounds that way. In terms of overall detail and transient precision it also gets a “B-“. However, compared to the 1990s CD it gets an “A”.

I also listened to the 96/24 download and if you live comfortably in both the analog and digital words, I’d buy the downloads and don’t bother with the vinyl, though it's very well pressed at Pallas. There’s little difference sonically between the files and the record. Don’t kill me for writing that.

That said, if this album is somewhat important to you and you just have to have vinyl, this reissue is good. On the other hand, if this record is really important to you, find an RL original, a UK “plum label” original, or even a UK WEA orange/green later pressing or the Classic Records reissue, but if you choose the Classic be prepared for a tipped up top and less than muscular bottom. However, the rest more than makes up for the truncated bottom end!

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COMMENTS
SimonH's picture

Looking at my Vinyl Copies here in the UK I am not sure there are Pallas pressed - there isn't the normal number stamp in the dead wax that you normally see with Pallas pressings and the inner sleeves aren't the normal Pallas ones - now are they the same cut??

Martin's picture

For an excellent review and contextual writeup.
Who knows, you might have made a good lawyer if you'd stuck with it :-)

On the basis of your review, I'll be getting the hi rez digital downloads. But not the vinyl.
I have the classics, plus a full set of UK issues. So no point.
But the digis, the CDs I have of Led Zep are awful. They're pretty much unlistenable, so it's great that this reissue has been done. Fantastic. And that stuff guys now in their 70's produced in their twenties is still being found relevant, by people with no connection to the times that formed this stuff. Now that's something.

SteveRB's picture

modern guitar virtuoso: Marissa Paternoster this girl is getting high praise form the likes of Steve Albini.
http://www.spin.com/articles/screaming-females-steve-albini-first-ever-l...

one of the best front men ever: Just killed a set in Calgary last weekend.
http://exclaim.ca/Reviews/SledIsland/rocket_from_crypt-olympic_plaza_cal...

...not to mention the whole hip-hop genre.

forshac's picture

For the cogent review.

Whither the MFSL version?

jq4ap's picture

Enjoying these remasters. Despite their perceived shortcomings these are a lot better products than the Blue Note 75 anniversary reissues at the same price point.

coaster92's picture

Yes we all know there's good music around if you dig, especially in Jazz, but some good ok too. But anyone who attempts to put rock groups of today in the same category playing wise or songwriting wise as The Stones, Zep, Beatles, Hendrix, Doors, Grateful Dead, Yes, Genesis? I'm on your side. And I believe in the future those will be forgotten and the older classic bands will still remain.
Your review tells it. You cover it all, the overload distortion- the previous reissues, the cd's, the loss of spacial information on the larest version. And I like what you said- that you kind of knew how it was going lay going in. Any seasoned vinyl head will find nothing brow raising here. Of course a 45 year old tape is going to be merely made servicable, because thats all that can be done. What works in its favor is anyone mainly familiar with the cruddy cd mentioned. I have observed a loss of ambient information on reissues- whatever carries this information is simply not on these older tapes anymore. Once in awhile I observe a touch of added reverb to compensate for this tape ageing effect. This can make things seem a little more roomy but will lack the original space characteristics. Sticking mics down the hall and what have you. so the famous RL and all subsequent issues used a copy of the master? The RL gives the music what it needs. I've always been a fan of them but not a huge fan, never liked Plant a lot, but I think his vocals got better on the next few records after this. If not for Page I probably would'nt bother with Zep- I think Keith Richards has expressed similar feelings. Anyway my RL was kind of scratched up so not being a hardcore fan I took it to the used store. But I do know what it sounds like. It has balls, and more balls and its not just in the bass- its across the whole range, especially on that first track, it will get your attention. Suppose I should have kept it but I was pretty flippant about vinyl back then. I'd take stuff back if it didnt have enough good songs on it, if it was noisy, whatever.
What I do not like is diluting classic albums- and all disc 2 does is dilute (same for III). With first one you get a worthy live show. I have no interest in listening substandard versions of the songs. If anyhting I suppose you learn why the album version is on the album. Now with jazz the alternate takes can be something. Nothing here is better than whats on the album- and therefore a waste of time if you ask me.

bgadiel's picture

Great Post. Good thing it posted close to the reissues' hitting the market.
Can you post the catalog number of the UK WEA issue?

Thanks.

Michael Fremer's picture
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Traxxgalaxy's picture

Thanks for a great article Michael. Definitely makes me want to seek out a purple plum pressing or even one of those later European pressings.

I have a 96-24 rip of the Classic 45 RPM roadcase which I started listening to a few months ago before I heard these releases were coming out. I find those pressings so revelatory that I usually can't get beyond the first album. I just get lost in the space and the dynamics of the music, discovering something new each time.

I wonder how those files compare to the new 96-24 downloads available?

tbromgard's picture

Do you have one to compare? Did MFSL use the original master like they advertise? Cheers!

cement_head's picture

I have only bad pressings from the late 1980's on vinyl. I'll take your word that the Classics Road Case, or individual reissues are better. An original RL pressing might be the best, but I'm weary of "VG+" ratings on eBAY. For me, these deluxe vinyl reissues will be the closest I get to the "original" sound, and for the $30 to $40 price point per record, I think they are pretty darn good to my ears. Maybe one day when I win the lottery, I'll track down 1st pressings (sealed) of all their music...or invent a time machine and see them live in 1971~1972.

Analog-Man's picture

Like many of you i have all sorts of variations of this LP.I have most of the better versions such as the Plum,RL,Classic Road Case 45 etc,they all sound very good but different.

I agree with you Michael and thanks a lot for all the time you put into this with the available information that you had.
One thing though the 3rd reissue from Japan 1976(Warner-Pioneer P-10101A)was obviously a later reissue and a totally different company from the 1st Japanese pressing from 1969.

I have a Japanese White Label Promo 1969(Nippon Grammophon MT-1091) and i honestly think it is better than all the copies that have been discussed.
What i find better about this pressing(as with many 60's-early 70's Japanese pressings)is about the lack of distortion as you give this pressing more gain and it keeps opening up.
The detail and placement of each musician and each instrument can be tangibly felt.

Everything is so dynamic but not over powering.
The more gain i give it the clearer and down right real it sounds,I feel the movement around the guys in Led Zepp as they perform,not just airy but spooky real.The balance of the brightness,bass,drums,vocals,and guitar are spot on.

Now when i put on almost every other Led Zepp 2 pressing on my system i have my gain settings at around give or take 12 o'clock max before it is either starting to get a little to loud or i am starting to hear bass distortion.
With this pressing i turn it up to 3 o'clock (where i stop,don't want to push my system to hard even though my mono amp's are just starting to move the needle's on there meter's) and i still don't hear any distortion but a larger encompassing sound stage that keeps begging for more and the overall sound is jaw dropping good.

The Japanese really new what they doing when they pressed many different pressings in the 60's and early 70's,more gain the better.
The Promo's are the ones to find if you can since there better than stock copies since there juiced up for the journalist to make a good impression.
Hope you had a great 4th of July weekend...Peace

my new username's picture

Long version: smooth vs. detailed, quiet vs. ample decays, meshed vs. clear stop/starts on the notes

The Classic is imperfect and does sound as if they cheated with the treble knob but so what? It also reminds me more of what I feel that guitar should sound like live: a bit mean and raw and almost out of control.

Short version: The picking and plucking feels like it's happening straight to my brain's parts.

Note: I couldn't evaluate the samples' low end on my setup today.

Rudy's picture

Mike, my good fellow...next time, rename the files so I can't tell which is which. ;o)

I hear more hiss in the Classic version than the new remaster. And I do hear how it's a bit brighter and maybe more dynamic. I'd have to hear the portion after the solo when the band comes back in to give it a proper comparison.

ctop79's picture

I too am interested in the MFSL comparison.

Slammintone's picture

I have the Mofi version, a bought new regular Atlantic version from 1985 and a couple pressings from the mid 70s. Also I briefly had the original Bob Ludwig mastered pressing. I would say the Mofi version sounds tonally closest to my mid 70s pressings, which is a good thing. It doesn't have what sounds like a boosted low end or high end but it does sound remarkably clear and crisp, like it was recorded yesterday. It's clearer than any other pressing or CD I've yet heard but it doens't quite have the zip that that first pressing had. Only reason I dumped the first version I had was bad mistracking damage towards the end of side one otherwise it rocked out the best of any I've heard. I'd be willing to let Mike Fremer borrow my Mofi LZII if he doesn't alreay have a copy.

Slammintone's picture

Just scored my second ever RL/SS mastered first version of LZII. The bad news is it's in only partially playable condition. Whole Lotta love has at least five good skips. Most of side two is playable however. Words escape me.... But basically 35yrs of listening to all the post RL versions, and cds have not prepared me for the ONSLAUGHT of simply, utterly amazing sound, punch, depth, 3D bass etc that the RL mastered copy presents. My MFSL version sounds nothing like this, my post 1977 albums, which sound fine btw, sound puny and helpless in comparison. I feel sad for them now! The RL is such a bully, brawler and a menace to society in general. My goodness, yes I will pay whatever for an exellent/near mint copy or two if I have to!!

Lazer's picture

I almost bought an original with RL in the dead wax for more than $100.00, I was excited. Thought I'd reread your review before pulling the trigger, saw ur comment about "1841 Broadway label not being worth the vinyl it's printed on." and I changed my mind...thank you!!

Michael Fremer's picture
I think you mis-read what I wrote: "That said, if this album is somewhat important to you and you just have to have vinyl, this reissue is good. On the other hand, if this record is really important to you, find an RL original......." Did you not read that? If you could get a good original "RL" for around $100.00 and the album is really important to you, BUY IT! That's a great price if it's in good condition.
Lazer's picture

Thanks Michael, I'm sure my confusion is just because I'm so new to the vinyl collecting world and don't know what to look for when determining if something is a good version of what I want. The letters in the dead wax, the nomenclature, what it means, all this is still a mystery to me. I did read the part you reference but was confused by the 1841 broadway address, because that's the address on the RL album, I was thinking this RL I'm looking at is not original. If RL is in the dead wax,is it always original? And yes, it's in very good condition, and yes, this album is very important to me. Again, thanks for helping to educate the less informed.

Michael Fremer's picture
"Dead wax" always trumps label in terms of forensics. If you can get a Led Zep II with "RL" in the "dead wax" then that's the original, desirable, massive bass attack "Led Zep II". I hope to have one too some time....without paying big bucks. 1841 Broadway was Atlantic Records' address back then and where they had their studios. It's across from the Time-Warner Center on Columbus Circle.
Lazer's picture

I did purchase the RL Zeppelin II for a little over $100.00. I bought it because I trust your opinion....you have earned my trust. Its the best damn version of this album I've ever heard!!! The soundstage is way more frontal and 3 dimensional...the instruments are more distinct and separate yet the soundstage is fuller and somehow more complete. It brings a smile to my face just thinking about it.

blackmetal's picture

I think I own 6 different versions of LZII and maybe it's age, but this one does it for me and my modest system. I've owned the Classic release since it was released and the RL mastered which I paid good money for 15 years ago. Not sure why, but again--maybe modest system? I like the new reissues. The studio outtakes don't do much for me sonically, but I still like them.

I think it sits between the Classic and RL release. Maybe better than the RL only because you can buy a brand new copy right now and you can pay much less.

crgolfer's picture

I have a 1841 Broadway Label Led Zeppelin II and just compared it to the reissue and a German copy. The 1841 Broadway suprisingly sounds better than the other 2: they both sound somewhat dull and compressed in comparison. Maybe some of the 1841 Broadway was issued before it was recut??

JohnEcc's picture

Listened to them both on my Mac, of course no difference. Hooked up the Mac to outboard Dac through main system. Listened to them twice, liked the second sample. Went back and listened to the new reissue and the Classic reissue, Classic still sounds better.

steve3049's picture

If it is well known that the RL version of LZII is hands down the best then why doesn't the current industry cut "hot" lacquers for audiophiles?

jpvisual's picture

I don't agree with your comment Michael.

There is so much great music out there right now, people just need to get out of their listening rooms and head to the clubs Michael.

Brian Jonestown Massacre, Night Beats, White Fence, The Growlers, The Black Angels, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Tess Parks, Ty Segall!

I could really go on forever.

I don't think the amount of great young talent has changed, but rather how we view musicians today. Social media apps like facebook, twitter and youtube have made these people more accessible and more human. This is something that did not exist in the 60's and 70's, but if it had, maybe we would be looking at those "classic rock" musicians through a different lens.

Remember to put down your records and get out of the house folks.

Macman007's picture

Mike, I just can't find a decent listenable copy of 1,2,3, or IV anywhere. I bought all of the new Classic 200 gram versions sealed when they came out. On my rig they sound bloated distorted and fuzzy, not so much sibilant per-se. My older 1841 Broadway reissues from the mid 70's are slightly better but the same really, just a tad noisier from age.

You'll probably say it's system dependent error, or setup but I don't think so. I don't have a RL copy to A/B or else I'd try it. The system is a MMF9 w/ a HO Blackbird. Tried an Eroica, and a V15 MV. No dice.

Preamp is a McIntosh C2300, amps are McIntosh Mc500's with XRT 22's driven. Any level any time these albums just sound spitty sibilant over driven and distorted in all aspects even in the quiet portions. These albums have the worst sound, and all of my other albums sound far far better to perfect, so I seriously doubt it's tracking error or set up dependent. It almost sounds like the phono cartridges are overloading the phono stage when I play these. I even tried a spare table, a Revox B790 I had rebuilt with a Shure N91 and a JICO SAS. No dice.

Mike, I love Zeppelin, I love these albums, I hate digital, but the sad thing is the 80's CD's (not the 90's set) sound far more listenable and clean. This on an Mc MCD 205, but I don't want my Zeppelin via digital. I don't want to take a chance on the 180 gram classic reissues or the new Page reissues until I get this resolved

Please HELP Mike, your the only one who may be able to figure this mystery out!!

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