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Beatles Vinyl Remastered, Finally Coming, Shipping Mid-November
The first hold-ups were due to finding a pressing plant that could consistently produce the level of quiet demanded by the producers. Then came issues related to the full-sized book that will be included in the box.
While many of us had hoped for an AAA release, that was simply not possible. My contact at EMI in the UK told me how difficult it was getting the estates of John (Yoko) and George (Olivia) plus Paul and Ringo to sign off on the 192/24 bit masters produced for the CD reissues.
Issuing the vinyl from the original tapes would require them to audition test pressings and sign off again, which would have been even more difficult that okaying CDs. Besides, I was told, everyone felt important consistency within the catalog.
So the box was mastered to lacquers at Abbey Road using the original 192k/24 bit files. Clearly these will sound far superior to the CD versions, just as the 44.1K/24 bit Apple USB "dongle" version sounded better than the CD.
No doubt the set will eventually be issued on Blu-ray at 192/24 bit and perhaps it will also be available as a full rez Internet download but nothing can replace the vinyl experience, physically and sonically given that Abbey Road's D/A converters are probably far superior to what most of us have at home—if we even have D/A converters in our systems (some vinyl purists do not).
Will a mono box set follow? That is not certain yet, but it will probably depend upon the success of the stereo box and sales of individual titles that will be issued at the same time.
And a splendid time is guaranteed for all!
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Well I for one
Submitted by JC1957 on Fri, 2012-09-21 18:21.
Won't be breaking down the doors of my local record store on release date. The box set is way overpriced compared to buying the LP's individually. I'll try a couple of titles and go from or stop there.
And for Chrisssake EMI/Apple, give us the mono LP's.
"My contact at EMI in the UK
Submitted by Paul Boudreau on Fri, 2012-09-21 18:35.
"My contact at EMI in the UK told me how difficult it was getting the estates of John (Yoko) and George (Olivia) plus Paul and Ringo to sign off on the 192/24 bit masters produced for the CD reissues."
I for one would like to hear more about this, i.e. what were the disagreements about?
Happy Families
Submitted by Martin on Fri, 2012-09-21 19:42.
"My contact at EMI in the UK told me how difficult it was getting the estates of John (Yoko) and George (Olivia) plus Paul and Ringo to sign off on the 192/24 bit masters produced for the CD reissues."
Working with wealthy families you get an appreciation for how hard it is to get members of the same extended family to sit down together and agree on anything. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to get four different interest groups to agree. Plus they probably don't get along that well at the best of times. There is usually nothing rational, logical or even sensible about the process.
keeping the goose
Submitted by J.D. on Fri, 2012-09-21 20:02.
There are a lot of concerns with a release like this, but surely business and ROI trumps all in the final decision. It's likely that market research has shown that consumers in appropriate numbers will not pay $85 for, say, a Rubber Soul lp reissue. Or even $55. Which might have allowed a return adequate to justify the high resolution source.
But if the data shows that they will only pay $25, albeit in sufficient numbers, then the obvious business decision is to allow it--- but dilute the material. And keep hold of the goose that lays the golden eggs, for the next go-round.
It is as if a winery couldn't get enough buyers at the $85 for a bottle of a great vintage year. So they choose to sell a Blend, containing some of the great vintage, for the $25 they know they can sell in the millions. And they keep most of that great vintage in the cellars, undiluted for the future.
And they know they can come back, every 5-7 years, and re-sell some kind of new twist on the product that never empties the cellar. One year a futurist Usb drive, the next time out a retro Lp pressing.
It's business, not art.
they don't need the money
Submitted by Martin on Sat, 2012-09-22 15:46.
the thing is, they don't need the cash.
Once the "we need the money" driver is removed, it is all about emotion, ego and fuzzy factors. There is nothing, nothing, nothing rational, logical or sensible about these processes when it comes down to the actual people in control of assets.
45 rpm pressings
Submitted by samman on Fri, 2012-09-21 21:41.
Following the business model above, I agree. It's like when the CCR catalog was remastered by Steve Hoffman and Kevin Gray several years ago at 33 1/3 rpm. AFTER that sold for a while, they came out with 45 rpm versions of the the "hits" from all of the albums. The same was done with Classic Records and Led Zeppelin's catalog. Remember the 45 rpm box set that sold for about $800? They didn't remaster, Classic just pressed to 45 rpm for the advantages that that format offers. I can see the same thing being offered for the Beatles catalog. A special, limited edition 45 rpm box set. Man oh man, I've always drooled at the thought of a 45 rpm version of the White Album or Abbey Road! MMMmmmmmmm.
One Step Back?
Submitted by RobWynn on Fri, 2012-09-21 22:08.
After letting the news sit overnight, I was going to order a few individual titles just now, until...
Interesting that the "Big 3" online audiophile sites no longer have the box or the individual titles available for ordering on their sites today.
Two Forward?
Submitted by marmaduke on Sat, 2012-09-22 03:06.
According to a source at one of the Big 3 online etailers, EMI jumped the gun in announcing the release. The take down was the necessary result.
Those naughty twits should get a spanking.
It's official.
Submitted by deckeda on Fri, 2012-09-28 03:26.
http://www.thebeatles.com/#/news/Vinyl
Acoustic Sounds is doing a pre-order for $350. I'll divide that by 16 for you. It's less than $22 a title.
A mono set comes next year.
No additional dynamic compression, apparently.
Source
Submitted by dobyblue on Fri, 2012-09-28 21:11.
An e-mail from Abbey Road to a SH Forum member confirmed today that they went back to the 24/192 archives and did all their mastering at 24/96, those are the files the vinyl will be cut from.
For those wanting all analogue you can still find Blue Boxes for around $400.
I wish these were all analogue, and the Rubber Soul and Help! stereo versions in the Stereo box will be from the 16-bit George Martin 1987 mixes. However 24/96-sourced vinyl when done properly can sound fantastic, so I'll definitely be picking this up or the few titles individually that I want.
Interesting news. Do you have
Submitted by Smafdy Assmilk on Mon, 2012-10-01 08:09.
Interesting news about them going back and making 24/96 EQ'd files. Do you have a link for that post at SHF?
Beatles vinyl in mono
Submitted by chaslockard on Sat, 2012-09-29 00:02.
Would like to see the mono version. I thought the mono CD box was, for the most part, superior to the stereo.
I won't bite
Submitted by tresaino on Sat, 2012-09-29 15:04.
I won't bite into this, using the 16bit for a vinyl reissue of Help and Rubber Soul is unacceptable.
Hmm, I wonder if any of the
Submitted by Paul Boudreau on Sun, 2012-09-30 05:11.
Hmm, I wonder if any of the 96/24 titles will be available as downloads, say from HDTracks? That might be tempting. The stereo LP box is sounding a bit iffy to me although I'd definitely be interested in the mono LP box.
Fortunately Madsen said what
Submitted by eavedrop441 on Mon, 2012-12-17 12:55.
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There seems to be a lot of
Submitted by Smafdy Assmilk on Mon, 2012-10-01 09:30.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the source used for these LPs. I've searched all over these world wide internets, but could not find a difinitve answer. So... unless otherwise stated by one of the Abbey Road engineers, we should probably assume these LPs were cut from the 24/44.1 digital files that were used for the 2009 CD releases (minues the digital limited added during the bouncedown to 16 bits).
Here's the workflow of the 2009 remasterings:
1. The original analog tapes were transfered, flat, to 24/192.
2. Some cleanup work and edits were done in Pro Tools.
3. Those 24/192 files were played through Abbey Road's TG mastering console for EQ, as well as any analog compression that was applied.
4. That analog signal was recorded back into Pro Tools at 24/44.1.
5. The 24/44.1 files were digitally routed through the a hardware digital limiter and sample rate converted to 16/44.1 for CD.
Seeing how much time and energy it took for these remasters to be approved by all the estates and surviving band members, it seems highly unlikely, but not *completely* implausible, that anything other than these approved 24/44.1 files were used for the vinyl issues.
The only confusion is yours.
Submitted by deckeda on Fri, 2012-10-05 17:38.
The press release, Beatles web site, this blog and more state they were cut from 24/96 files.
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