Peter, Paul and Mary's Debut Album Cut From Master Tape at 45rpm From ORG

Peter, Paul and Mary brought gospel fervor to the staid folk revival of the early '60s. Though they got their live chops at Paul Colby's Bitter End, the brick wall of which serves as the cover's backdrop, it was this album that propelled them to pop music-like mainstream stardom.

The trio's looks were perfect: two clean cut "Beatniks" and a blonde bombshell but it was the sound that took the country and world by storm. Peter Yarrow was the sincere, professorial one, Paul Stookey the intense, flinty one leavened by sly humor and there was something about Mary. She looked great and her pure, almost razor sharp voice cut through yet blended ideally with the men. The guys were also warm-toned strummers.

None of this was accidental. The group was created by Albert Grossman, who also managed Dylan, The Band and Janis Joplin among others. He auditioned a wide range of characters including the too idiosyncratic Dave Van Ronk among others. Grossman was looking for and got "clean cut" and wholesome, which ultimately made the trio all the more subversive as they "niced" their way into middle America's conscience.

Despite their clean cut looks—guys in ties and jackets on the cover—PP&M were active in the civil rights movement and other agents of change during the turbulent '60s and beyond.

This debut produced by Grossman was an instant sensation, remaining atop the Billboard charts for seven weeks and selling a few million copies. PP&M made the then reigning folk trio, The Kingston Trio, sound cool, distant and low energy by comparison, their harmonies bland and indistinct.

This was emphasized by the daring, almost astonishing recording of this album by engineer Bill Schwartau, who put the three right up against the microphones not afraid of a popped consonant or three. Whether this was the engineer's idea or Grossman's no one is sure but the result was electrifying especially for those with stereos and doubly especially for Kingston Trio fans who'd become used to distantly miked, reverberant recordings that placed the three singers in the "phantom center channel." Here Peter had the left channel to himself, Paul the right and Mary the center on most tracks, producing a sensational immediacy and intimacy especially because Schwartau used but a "kiss" of reverb.

All these years later when Paul Stookey sings "Gone to graveyards every one" it still produces chills as do so many other moments on this still compelling but short (33 minutes and change) album. The original's sides one and two begin with rousers ("Early in the Morning" and "If I Had My Way") and in between are a series of protest songs, some familiar like "If I Had a Hammer" (especially to socialist summer campers whose administrations did not ban Weavers or Pete Seeger songs). The album has the calypso "Lemon Tree" later adapter as the "Lemon Pledge" song, and of course the anti-war classic "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." The only clunker then and now is the treacly children's song "It's Raining", but I'm sure some people like it.

Travers passed away in 2009 at age 72, having lost her stellar looks years earlier, while the gray "beatniks" still perform and are often still seen on PBS. They've lost none of their charm and their voices are still pretty supple.

At the time Warner Brothers was a minor league label and how the group got signed there and not to one of the majors like RCA or Columbia remains a mystery. I have over a half-dozen gold label Warner Brothers "originals" (a few are verifiable "first pressings" a few later ones) that vary sonically but all sound very good and are well pressed.

None sound as good as this reissue, starting with RTI's black backdrops. So much more low level detail gets revealed, especially the two acoustic guitars in the left and right channels. Mary's voice is better focused in the center and she's far more clearly rendered in three-dimensional space.

Bernie Grundman cut from the original master tape and the transparency and clarity are a dead giveaway to that. If this album doesn't produce occasional chills, your system needs some work or you do!

A long awaited reissue (for aging folkies at least) done perfectly! Listening to it now makes clear that John Philips and probably the other members of The Mamas & the Papas were listening though that's not surprising. So was most of the rest of the world.

On their third album In the Wind (also reissued by ORG and to soon be reviewed here) they brought Bob Dylan to the attention of "the mainstream" scoring a big hit with a smoothed over "Blowin' In the Wind". Later they scored with John Denver's "Leaving on the Jet Plane" and of course the subversive song that secretly advised young children to smoke pot "Puff the Magic Dragon" (the latter interpretation courtesy crazy conservatives at the time and anti-drug zealots. In reality it was about a dragon named Puff and a kid whose last name was Paper and whose middle name was not Zig-Zag!)

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Ortofan's picture

The Wikipedia entry for Albert Grossman includes the following info:

"The group had been avidly pursued by Atlantic Records, who were on the verge of signing them when the deal inexplicably fell through. The group signed with Warner Bros. Records instead and Atlantic's executives later discovered that it was because music publisher Artie Mogull had introduced Grossman to Warner executive Herman Starr, from whom Grossman was able to extract an unprecedented deal that gave the trio complete creative control over the recording and packaging of their music."

Reference is made to this book:
Fred Goodman, Mansion on the Hill: Dylan, Young, Geffen, Springsteen, and the Head-On Collision of Rock and Commerce (Random House, 1998), pp.88-90

Michael Fremer's picture
Thanks for adding that useful information. I read the book when it came out but that was a long time I ago so I'd forgotten that.
Ortofan's picture

It was stated elsewhere that the Warner deal also included an advance of $30K (close to a quarter of a million dollars in today's money). Couldn't find any mention of what financial incentive Ahmet & Jerry might have been offering in comparison.

BillHart's picture

was also a thread that connects them to John Denver. He produced and arranged this album, didn't he?

Michael Fremer's picture
He was the arranger but Grossman produced as the credits here indicate.
stretch35's picture

any deadwax markings that show a gold label wb as first pressing. thanks

Michael Fremer's picture
WS 1449-A side one, and WS 1449-B side two hand-written would be the first pressing. I have a few with the Columbia Records stamp that don't sound quite as good. Columbia mastered well for its own titles but generally seemed to "phone in" masters contracted from outside.
Paul Boudreau's picture

Turns out I do have a gold-label mono copy (A = 8663-1D / B = 8664-1C), which would make it a slightly-later copy, I suppose.

Paul Boudreau's picture

listened to it and it sounds great. I hadn't listened to any PP&M for quite awhile and it's nice to hear that great vocal mix again. Also nice is that there's very little of the over-earnestness you sometimes hear in recordings from the Great Folk Scare. They were simply very good!

labjr's picture

I've noticed that many times when an album is remastered, there's different versions available from everywhere. Why is that? Do they only let the tapes out of the vault for a certain period and they do a tour of all the boutique labels and everyone takes a shot at it?

David_Cormier's picture

I guess the price of this reissue is not cheap. While I praise the efforts of the companies who make quality reissues like this seems to be the case here, why choose this particular album? I've seen this a million times in $1 bins...

amarok89's picture

Because it looked absolutely beautiful. Maybe near mint. It sounds near mint on most of it but then I hear a huge POP!!! Super loud. There are dozens of these loud pops in a few songs. But the rest of it sounds fine. I honestly can't see what makes the pops. Because of the quality of the songs and the recording I want a clean one. At $54 on 2LPs at 45 at only 33 minutes? I don't think so. I'm sorry but this is a perfect example of where the vinyl resurgence gets ridiculous. A clean but maybe NOT SO AWESOME but nice sounding 331/3 at $22 or $24 would be awesome. I'll wait and have a good laugh in the meantime.

my new username's picture

... is that you're getting better sound, better packaging, easier availability or perhaps all three. It has nothing to do with how easy it might be to find used copies of any condition.

Of course, reissues have often failed on that promise but that doesn't seem to be the case here, overflowing $1 bins notwithstanding.

peck8969@aol.com's picture

Aloha,

Due to my coming late to this party, I would guess you will not read this post but I hope anyone considering this LP will.

Michael, I followed and trusted your equipment and record reviews since you began with the Absolute Sound and that makes me and you old timers. I own at least 85% of all of the records you have given a positive review and found that each and every record sounds exactly on my system as you described it in your review. (By the way, I tell you that each time I meet you at an audio show.) So, what should a guy who owns almost all of the original P,P and M's do after reading this review but order up the 45 version of Peter, Paul and Mary from the Elusive Disc. As usual I felt completely confident this LP would be no different but it is not as described. My copy is filled with tics and pops. I do not mean an occasional tic and pop here and there on the LP but rather continual tics and pops through most of 500 miles and other places on the LP. Also, a couple of the labels on the center of each record look as if a child put them on. More important the sound is a bit dull, flat, i.e., lacking life. Sorry, no chills here.

Now, before you say, "You need to have your ears checked." I do, annually, and the folks giving me the test always comment on how well I can hear the extreme highs and lows as well as everything in between. Sorry, that one won't work on me. I know how you are going to say, "Check you turntable, cartridge, and system setup." I have and I do often and I use every tool you recommend for turntable/cartridge set up. Let me just add that I also purchased at the same time the Tony Bennett at Carnegie Hall that you highly recommended and it sounds exactly as you described, as if he is singing in a studio. It is full of life and well, it sounds wonderful. Not necessarily my go to kind of music like P,P and M but it truly is a stunning job of mastering and pressing.

Michael you are still one of my audio heroes and I still respect your opinions and will continue to trust your reviews but this one I have to disagree with you.

Randy

Michael Fremer's picture
"You need to have your ears checked". It's obvious that you got a defective record. You should try to have it replaced by the vendor.
peck8969@aol.com's picture

Michael,

In response to your reply, it is important to add that I still stand by all of my other comments regarding this review/LP. Also, I encourage anyone interested in purchasing this LP to read my comments disregarding the part about having my ears checked, as that one comments does not change the overall quality this LP.

I have read responses by reviewers on several occasions that have said to their readers to have their ears checked. I cannot say for sure if you personally have made this comment or one that implies the same meaning using different words in the past. Furthermore, I am not going to research your prior reviews or belabor the point any further. If you say you never have made this comment, then I stand corrected and I apologize for offending you. Finally, our relationship is of far greater value to me then comments made regarding a review of an LP.

Just so you know, I did contact Elusive Disc and they did replace the first record of this two LP set, but no luck it still has continuous ticks and pop throughout most of 500 miles and into the next cut as well. It is truly a shame because it is such great music and I had hoped with our current technology and a price tag of $50 bucks ORG could have or rather should have done better. I own several other ORG records and each and every one is top quality.

Which bring us to yet another thought, do you review the same LP's that we can purchase or do you get special additions of these LP's?

john.tracy's picture

When I first listened to this reissue I thought something was wrong with Noel's voice. Plus it seemed a little dull and not quite right. One click of the polarity invert button and all was right. You would think that in 2015 recording engineers could get the polarity correct.

vinyl_blues's picture

After you switched the polarity for this record, did it sound better to you than your other copy of this LP? Did the sound impress at that point, or was it just no longer dull or flat?

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