Mosaic's Miraculous Roland Kirk Box Set

In a truly just world every Jethro Tull fan would know and appreciate Rahsaan Roland Kirk but as with Muddy Waters and The Rolling Stones, these things take time. If you don't know Kirk's music and you're a Tull fan you surely know his "Serenade To A Cuckoo" covered by Ian Anderson on his debut Tull album This Was.

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In a truly just world every Jethro Tull fan would know and appreciate Rahsaan Roland Kirk but as with Muddy Waters and The Rolling Stones, these things take time. If you don't know Kirk's music and you're a Tull fan you surely know his "Serenade To A Cuckoo" covered by Ian Anderson on his debut Tull album This Was.

VPI’s 3D "Printed" Tone Arm: Does it Sound Better, Worse, or the Same As the Standard Metal JMW Memorial Arm?

Stereophile's May issue includes my first of a two part review of VPI's Classic Direct Drive turntable. Does the new 3D printed tone arm sound different than the company’s standard metal one? Does it sound better, or not as good? I give my opinion in the review.

You make the call here. Here are two 96/24 files. Are they both the same file? Or, if you hear one sounding better, state your preference.

If the files are different, one file features the Lyra Atlas installed in the standard VPI JMW arm mounted on VPI's new Classic Direct Drive turntable.

The other file features the Lyra Atlas installed on the new 3D printed tone arm on the same turntable. All measured set-up parameters were identical.

The phono preamp is the Ypsilon VPS100. The preamp is the D'Agostino Momentum while the A/D converter is Ayre's QA-9. The interconnect between the phono pre and preamp is TARA Labs Evolution, which replaces the Zero.

Please vote and leave a comment explaining your vote.

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Michael Fremer and Joe Harley Interviewed By Colorado Public Radio's Scott Carney

Last Thursday morning April 17th Joe Harley (Audioquest V.P. and record/reissue producer) and I visited Colorado Public Radio Studios where OpenAir host (and vinyl fanatic) Scott Carney interviewed us about vinyl for a show that would air on Record Store Day.

Record Store Day Ruined By Grumpy Old Man!

How was your RSD? Mine was ruined by a grumpy old man at my local record store, Music Merchants in Westwood, New Jersey.

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COMMENTS
Ortofan's picture

Still no subsonic filter?

This product must be intended for customers who only play perfectly flat records, don't have truly full range speakers and/or have plenty of amplifier power to waste.

et88b's picture

What price would you consider to be a real world system?

Michael Fremer's picture

My phono pre lacks one too. Few have them....

Ortofan's picture

...evidently because their designers don't live in the real world or they never bother to learn.

50 years ago, Bud Fried recognized the need for bandwidth limiting in amplifiers used with wideband speakers - including a subsonic filter in the phono preamp.

Quoting Tomlinson Holman (from 40 years ago): "An often overlooked and important area of preamplifier design is the amplifier’s infrasonic response..." The full text is available here: http://www.davidreaton.com/pdfs/holman_aes_paper.pdf

Michael Fremer's picture

I don't find such a filter necessary.

Ortofan's picture

Do you have any test records with spot frequency (not swept) test tones, such as those CBS used to produce?

Play one using a preamp with a switchable subsonic filter (with at least a third order - 18dB/octave response). Measure the IM distortion at the output of your speakers (or just listen for any difference) with the filter in and out of circuit.  Also, compare the peak power output of your amplifier with and without the filter.

Speaking of gurus, if Holman's work doesn't impress you, how about Rich Maez? His phono preamp design incorporates a 3-pole subsonic filter and you seem to have liked the unit's performance when you reviewed it.

sharris55's picture

Well I decided to wait for the JC3+ once I heard the details of the enhancements so did not purchase the JC3 after your first review.  Hard to tell from this article whether you heard any real gains (too bad the original JC3 had left the building).  After a nearly 8 month wait mine arrived in January.  During those 8 months I had bided my time with one of Parasound's zPhono preamps.  Needless to say the difference was startling.  I have yet to play with the settings. I think we are set on 50 ohms right now and everyone seems to have a different rule of thumb when it comes to adjusting it.  My retailer says the vinyl sounds so good right now he hates to even mess with it.  One thing I am not used to is having a power switch on the phono preamp...keep forgetting and leaving the thing on overnight.  Those Living Stereo titles keep rolling in and I simply ENJOY.

Michael Fremer's picture

Idling it doesn't use much juice. I'd just leave it on...

Samurai7595's picture

Nice unit but unfortunately, not sold in Canada since it does not meet CSA standards (shame...).

Michael Fremer's picture

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rakalm's picture

Would still love to see you follow through on the Jasmine Phono Stage review you hinted at a bit back.  They have had 2 upgrades since the original review.  The new one can handle 2 turntables.  I know, a whole different realm but I believe or my ears lead me to believe the Jasmine is one of if not the best value out there.  Less than $600.  A great deal for those of us who suffer from budgetary contraints.  I looked at a Parasound in my price range with the onboard headphone amp and all and took your recommendation that it may have not been the best choice.  A borrowed Parasound (prior to receiving my Jasmine) from many years back (PPH-100) could not even compare to my Jasmine. I am guessing the Parasound PPH-100 was a great buy in it's day.  I am certainly not comparing the Parasound you reviewed except by name alone and the choices I had within my price range. 

patrick50's picture

Please excuse my naive question but is 100 ohms loading really considered as good as one needs for most MC cartridges? I do experience relatively subtle effects from loading but that catridge I currently use, a Clearaudio Concerto II, does seem to respond to a little lower (higher value) setting. I confess, I actually like it wide open at 47k too but 100 ohms just sounds a little dull. By the way, thanks for all you do for those of us who love LPs!

Ortofan's picture

The webpage for the Clearaudio Concerto II cartridge lists a recommended load resistance of 300 ohms.

Likewise for the technical data chart in the owner's manual.

However, the owner's manual goes on to say:

"Loading between 100 Ohms and 1 Kohms may be used with some solid state for best results.

We strongly recommend starting at 47 Kohm loading down until breaking in has been completed.

We achieved the best results with a loading of 200 ohms."

patrick50's picture

Thanks Ortofan -- I do have the manual but I was really asking a more general question about the utility of a 100ohm setting for most MCs. IF I had to use the 100ohm with the Concerto it would make music, but not as well as it does at other loadings. But maybe the Clearaudios are the outliers to the general rule?

Ortofan's picture

I've been using Ortofons for decades and the load for most of their MC cartridges is specified simply as >10 ohms.  Exceptions include some of the Kontrapunkt and Cadenza models, where the load is spec'd at 50-500 ohms.  Audio-Technica generally specifies a 100 ohm load.  However, I use a Tamura transformer as the step-up device, so the load for the cartridge ends up being whatever impedance gets reflected back to the input from the phono amplifier.

treyroscoe's picture

I was torn between the kW phono stage from Musical Fidelity and the JC-3, and went with the kW when I got a great deal on one. IIRC you had one of the kW phonos at some point. Can't find your review anywhere though. Can you speak to how they compare sonically?

Michael Fremer's picture

My kW review must have been in an Analog Corner that's yet to be published here. In all honesty too much time has passed since I wrote about it and had it in-house. Off the top of my head I'd bet the kW was more dynamic, had more bottom end grip and extension but was somewhat lean in the midrange where the JC-3 is more lush and full-sounding. 

Ortofan's picture

Some comments from MF about the kW as part of the Aesthetix Rhea review here:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/aesthetix-rhea-phono-preamplifier-michael-fremer-june-2005

readargos's picture

I’ve owned a lot of Musical Fidelity gear from the last decade: A3cr separates, A3.2cr separates, and A308cr separates. The limited edition Anniversary Tri-Vista kW power amp actually used some “trickle-up” technology originally developed for the A308 series. These components represent the Musical Fidelity house sound that won rave reviews on both sides of the pond, and what I like to think of as the “classic” Musical Fidelity sound.

I found a “new old stock” kW Phono from a dealer that I recently added to the A308 stack. I believe that, starting with the kW regular production line (*not* the Anniversary Tri-Vista gear), MuFi’s house sound went in different direction, from light, bright, open, transparent, fast, and airy; to a little darker and smoother with bigger (but not overdamped) bass and more physicality/palpability. The kW phono has depth charge bass, but lacks some of the high frequency filigree of MuFi’s earlier circuit designs. Both flavors of the MuFi sound, however, are superbly detailed and dynamic, and neither are harmonically lean (for solid state).

With the caveat that I have not heard the Tri-Vista kW Anniversary gear, or other examples of the kW regular production line, I believe Mr. Fremer’s description of the Tri-Vista kW conveys the gestalt of the A308 sound, while his description of the kW Hybrid preamp and kW750 power amp conveys the gestalt of the kW phono sound. I mention this because those reviews of Mr. Fremer’s are available on Stereophile’s website, while, as yet, the kW phono review has not been published online. Personally, I think the A308 gear is closer to a strict, uncolored neutrality, that is highly responsive to changes in cables to allow tailoring of the sound to suit listener preference. The kW sound starts out a little more tailored. The kW is not as dark as BAT solid state or some of the older Krell, but it’s not as explicitly open as Musical Fidelity’s earlier gear.

Make no mistake, the kW phono is a big step up from the good-quality internal phonostage of the A308 preamp (which handily showcases the superiority of even a modest vinyl rig over CD), but the sound is also a study in contrasts. If you’ve tuned a system around the A3, A3.2 or A308 gear, adding the kW may require tuning in somewhat the opposite direction. Those who are fans of the classic Musical Fidelity sound might consider loading the cartridge less on the kW to recover some of the brightness.

treyroscoe's picture

Many thanks for that impression. The dynamics and bass are two of my favorite aspects to the kW. Look forward to that review being posted at some point in the future. A great phono stage, but would love to see how it compared to others that you had around when you reviewed it.

Am I correct thinking that you will be at AXPONA this weekend? If so, I hope to meet you there!

Johnny2Bad's picture

" ...
Nice unit but unfortunately, not sold in Canada since it does not meet CSA standards (shame...).
..."
Michael Fremer added: " ... You Can't Just Sneak One In? ..."

You could, but it requires jumping through a few hoops. Parasound dealers are prohibited from shipping to Canada. You would either have to physically drive across the border, have a sympathetic friend who lives in the US (for a shipping address), or use a Customs Broker with a US warehouse. Mine does, but most do not.

I do find it strange that Parasound chooses not to have the unit tested to CSA standards, since Underwriter's Laboratory will test to CSA and US standards at the same time (as will CSA). Must be a decision to limit costs vs a small market.

Slammintone's picture

Why not I said! Compared to the phono boards in my McIntosh MX112 or Rega BrioR the Parasound Halo unit is an unquestionable advancement in phono reproduction. The life and uncanny images the JC3 + unleash from my recordings, one album after another etc, is startling after decades of using freebie built in phono sections. Funny thing is I still liked vinyl better than any other medium available, yet I now feel like I was only hearing half of the music.
So Michael, as you stated that sometimes you wish you could go from a run of the mill phono stage to something like the JC3 to appreciate the improvements fully, well I’m that guy. Wow!!

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Parasound's New JC3+ MM/MC Phono Preamplifier Offers Feature and Sound Refinement

Parasound's new $2995 JC3+ is a significantly upgraded version of the already high performance original JC3 phono preamplifier, though outwardly it looks identical to the handsome original.

Record Score of the Day at The Princeton Record Exchange

The Princeton Record Exchange isn't what it used to be but it's still better than it once was. Of course "back in the day" the store was records and nothing but records. Then came CDs and DVDs and the emphasis shifted. After all, it's in a college town.

Lyra Kleos MC Cartridge Still A Smoothy After All These Years

The $2995 Lyra Kleos Cartridge was billed back in 2010 as a replacement for the Helikon. The Kleos is a much better sounding cartridge in every way. It maintains and actually ups the Helikon’s detail resolution, while adding the more expensive Skala’s smoothness and midband warmth.

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COMMENTS
Ortofan's picture

So, for $2995 they can't afford to include a stroboscope and some means of speed/pitch adjustment?

Michael Fremer's picture

They lock it in at the factory and that's their policy. It's an issue if you get one that's drifted as this one had. The RP10 (new more expensive) can be user-adjusted.

Ortofan's picture

That's a steep upcharge just to get the model with speed adjustment.

Before spending $3K for an RP8, I'd want to try a SOTA Jewel (with an SME M2 tonearm) for comparison.

allhifi's picture

Good review. A couple serious "but if's", however.

In the RP-8 review it was stated something like "assuming it's just this one" !

Give me a break. Rega (since the 1980's) are known for this indifference (to speed variation/inconsistency).

As a reviewer, you should always assume that what you have is a "representative" sample, not some worn-out reviewer model, unless proven otherwise.

Furthermore, Rega's early tonearms were "shite" --plain & simple. That they continue to pretend to know what their doing is laughable. (Rigidity Above All Else is far too long-in-tooth, simplistic and plain wrong. No VTA, Azimuth etc.).

Mercifully, we have actual engineers and creative folk out there that offer up alternatives to the self-professed wisdom of Rega's founder (and/or its engineering principles).

Yet, many thousands (of unsuspecting?) consumers lead the way -- assuming Rega sales are brisk?

As noted, at such a price point (as the RP-8), speed accuracy and consistency should be (should be demanded to be) precise and unwavering. If not, look elsewhere. Lots of serious-minded manufacturers exist in today's marketplace. You can thank me later.

peter jasz

Nellomilanese's picture

Hi Peter. As a RP8 (with Exakt 2 cartridge) owner, I wanna ask you what turntable in the same price range of the RP8 might surpass it sonically in your opinion? VPI is out of the question here in Italy because the price increae from US to EU is quite hefty.

allhifi's picture

Hi Nello: You have a fine turntable -keep enjoying.

My experience with tables/arms/cartridges, phono-stages etc. has been minimal over the past ten years. I'm not one who has the required (current) experience required for a sensible alternative recommendation.

I do not know the pricing of your Rega combination (with arm & cartridge), but an excellent table/arm is the Marantz (Clearaudio?)"TT-1". It's a wonderful sounding kit (with included $800. cartridge). In Canadian dollars, the TT-1 package price (depending on tracker)ranges between $1,800-$2,300. (CA$).

I'd also consider many of Clearaudio's excellent product. Or, perhaps One of Funk Firm's designs. No doubt, there are other equally respected designs available.

I believe you'd find enormous improvements if you could substitute the Rega tonearm (assuming it is a Rega) with another, one offering VTA, Azimuth and height adjustments.

Rega's "spacer" deal (for height adjustment)is the most ridiculous and unnecessary design criteria devised -only from the mind of RG): I envision a man with a closet full of 'superstitions" parading as clever design criteria.

You have a very nice, capable T/T. Keep enjoying !

Happy New Year,

pj

Brother John's picture

You forgot to mention the RP808 tonearm uses the same cheap cartridge wire connections as the RP303 which at $3.000.00 is a crime. Roy Gandy is a cheapskate.

Bigrasshopper's picture

I haven't heard the table, but I like the sound of your adjectives.  One object layered on another, in a brief  rippling rhythm, riding on the slippery "Ss" and coming to rest on a final welcoming subjective impression.  "The RP8 floated a solid, stable, supple and pleasingly silky image between the speakers-" You have a gift for evocative economy without a bit of scarcity.  It's really no wonder that you weren't  using pussycat protection.

jazz and cocktails's picture

that the RP10 looks like an RP8 with the holes filled in, and a wider plinth.

howardk's picture

Hi Mike,

It seems like the RP6 is the "sweet spot" in the Rega lineup.  However, both Stereophile and Analog Planet appear to have skipped over it, instead covering the RP3 and RP8.  Where does the RP6 fit into the price/performance equation of the Rega offerings?

 

 

 

popluhv's picture

I know the P series runs fast (possibly by intention?). Were any of the other RP series previously tested by Stereophile speed checked? 

allhifi's picture

It's been said that listener's find 'sped-up' speed to sound "better/more enjoyable".

Rega, one of the longest standing makers of some really decent sounding tables (with the right arm/cartridge) should have the resources, stability but appear to lack the desire to consider product improvements that have been historically weak.

Indeed, when I read: "I know the P series runs fast (possibly by intention?)" I'd suspect this is either a desirable characteristic for Rega tables or sheer indifference. It's likely a combination of both with a heavenly dash of arrogance.

pj

daniel badman's picture

my rp6 run a bit fast too with the rega drive belts but when i put on the edwards audio little belter drive belt it was spot on don't know if that would make this turntable run on speed or not 

volvic's picture

Don't they purposely run their tables a little faster to compensate for stylus drag? 

coaster92's picture

Is this essentially an internet version of the Stereophile review of the RP8 based on your experinece with that review sample? It's true when you buy a Rega some of that goes to UK labor Brother John and parts costs are curtailed, yea it seems cheap, you are'nt buying Chinese here, when I buy a Rega I am partly helpng a working man to earn a living in the companys home country. At the upper price level of the 8 it does seem a few audiophile spec parts could have been added. But I'd gurantee you Gandy thinks cartridge clips are inaudible. The platter on a P3 used to be more robust and the arm used to have the tungsten weight as standard, and where there was metal is now plastic. Are the changes audible? Has Rega moved things foward in spite of this? you'd have to take out an old 3 and compare to the current version. I have an RP8 slightly fast out of box and I did a reoil with 90w gear oil, now I have never had a Rega more speed true than this. Neither have I ever had a table that sounds this good.  Re Plinth maybe tapping it transmits easily, rather than tap the plinth- put on a record fairly loud and feel the plinth as the music is playing- music vibrations are rejected better than the older plinths. I am convinced Rega factory adjusts their tables to run slightly fast on purpose but will never admit it. Mr. Fremer is correct about Regas being generally fast since his review experience meshes with my user experience even with accounting for stylus drag (and he is to be commended for writing the only recent Rega review I know of to point this out and give criticism where its due, though I do remember a long ago Hi fi choice review of a Rega indicating similar results). I hope they send him an RP10 to take for a spin. Btw Where does Rega say the RP10 has speed control? that would be very un-Rega like. Here is what they say on their site: "Factory set vibration and speed adjustments are then made to the power supply to tune the motor for optimal performance."

Michael Fremer's picture

Yes. Most of my reviews in Analog Corner are not online. Stereophile posts some of the reviews and those will be duplicated here as well. When I spoke with Rega's Phil Freeman at a recent show (they all blur into one and I can't remember which it was) he specifically told me the 10 would have user adjustable speed control. I hope to get a 10 very soon.

tnargs's picture

"low mass, unsuspended turntables.... compared to their lumbering brethren.... its design philosophy of low mass, high rigidity, unsuspended, motor-onboard construction, .... rigid, low mass plinths and modest mass platters....  the company’s latest series of turntables has taken that concept to high tech extremes .... If you thought Rega ‘tables were low mass before, have a look at the new skeletal RP8.... It is the company’s most rigid, lowest mass design yet. .... both ultra-rigid and ultra-low mass.... a plinth that is seven times lighter than that of the original Rega 3"

Having placed so much emphasis on the plinth's low mass, do you happen to know what it weighs, please?

Michael Fremer's picture

Rega says "7 times lighter than the original Planar 3 plinth" but I don't know how heavy that was!

Brother John's picture

clips coaster92 although your thesis about British labor and Mr. Gandy's assessment make perfect sense.

As an owner of an old Rega P25 Turntable I have unfortunate past experience with that companies cheap cartridge clips breaking off while changing cartridges as well as their connectors being too small to fit properly onto the pins of a few non-Rega brands. A more robust clip like the one VPI uses even on their cheapest tonearm doesn't stand the chance of breaking off while mounting new cartridges.
I will not ever purchase another Rega TT because of this Issue.
My next upgrade will most likely be one of the VPI classic models.
VPI products are not manufactured in China either but New Jersey all while avoiding the use of cheap tonearm connections on their $3K turntable/Tonearm and paying their employees a real wage.

FatElvis's picture

I have an RP8 and can confirm that it runs fast. 33.56rpm and 45.53 per Turntabulator app on iPhone. Same app gave me 33.33 on my expertly setup Linn LP12 outfitted with Hercules power supply.

Funny how the Rega tables always seem to run a little fast but never a little slow.

Also can confirm that it sounds fantastic. Would prefer accurate speed.

Jimcorbet's picture

Hi,
As you have a Rega RP8. Can you please share your experience regarding tonearm vibrations at 45 rpm.
Cheers,
Jim

tangoman's picture

I have Rega RP 6 with a few mods like a Groovetracer® reference subplatter and Tangospinner Golden - Brass Pulleys set Triple pulley and the ACRYLIC PLATTER UPGRADE for Rega RP6 turntable 30mm so now I ready to buy the Ortofon MC Cadenza Black Cartridge (Moving Coil and the that sells in Australia for $3000 so just asking everyone out there is this a over kill for the Rega PR 6 ? thanks

Jimcorbet's picture

So I have the Rega RP8 and in my opinion it has a design flaw. Every time I increase the speed of the deck to 45rpm I can feel the vibrations of the motor coming through the tonearm. Yes on a turntable that costs in UK around £2500 the tonearm vibrates. In order to cure the situation I have tried everything from changing the feet to aluminium ones, buying a heavy wooden block, and finally putting a layer of sorbothane underneath the table. But nothing has helped. Reading this article I see that Michael also mentioned that the motor suffers from hum and the plinth is very live, this can only translate into a motor vibration problem. I am not sure why did issue has not been reported widely.

Leyland1671's picture

During all the years REGA has been active in turntable manufacturing, there are still unbelievable statements that come with their products. And those that are essential are still simply ignored. Such as useable technical specifications. Why are the potential customers left in the dark? Is it perhaps the e.g. wow & flutter figures are not so good? Why are those rediculous statements by Gandy as for leaving dust on the records as "the stylus will push that aside" still in their documentations that come with their products? Or that we should not believe other manufacturers' recommendations? These facts alone keep me away from REGA. No matter how the products sound, no matter how popular they might be. Simply not for me. Because I know Gandy did not invent the medium, others did that. And others perfected the medium, not Gandy. In fact during the foundation of REGA there were already pretty good sounding products on the market that still outperform so many modern day turntables, e.g. the DUAL 701. So no, Mr. Gandy. You may be stubbornly continue to influence the newbees, once they heard what good vintage equipment is capable of they will doubt your rediculous statements.

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COMMENTS
Ortofan's picture

So, for $2995 they can't afford to include a stroboscope and some means of speed/pitch adjustment?

Michael Fremer's picture

They lock it in at the factory and that's their policy. It's an issue if you get one that's drifted as this one had. The RP10 (new more expensive) can be user-adjusted.

Ortofan's picture

That's a steep upcharge just to get the model with speed adjustment.

Before spending $3K for an RP8, I'd want to try a SOTA Jewel (with an SME M2 tonearm) for comparison.

allhifi's picture

Good review. A couple serious "but if's", however.

In the RP-8 review it was stated something like "assuming it's just this one" !

Give me a break. Rega (since the 1980's) are known for this indifference (to speed variation/inconsistency).

As a reviewer, you should always assume that what you have is a "representative" sample, not some worn-out reviewer model, unless proven otherwise.

Furthermore, Rega's early tonearms were "shite" --plain & simple. That they continue to pretend to know what their doing is laughable. (Rigidity Above All Else is far too long-in-tooth, simplistic and plain wrong. No VTA, Azimuth etc.).

Mercifully, we have actual engineers and creative folk out there that offer up alternatives to the self-professed wisdom of Rega's founder (and/or its engineering principles).

Yet, many thousands (of unsuspecting?) consumers lead the way -- assuming Rega sales are brisk?

As noted, at such a price point (as the RP-8), speed accuracy and consistency should be (should be demanded to be) precise and unwavering. If not, look elsewhere. Lots of serious-minded manufacturers exist in today's marketplace. You can thank me later.

peter jasz

Nellomilanese's picture

Hi Peter. As a RP8 (with Exakt 2 cartridge) owner, I wanna ask you what turntable in the same price range of the RP8 might surpass it sonically in your opinion? VPI is out of the question here in Italy because the price increae from US to EU is quite hefty.

allhifi's picture

Hi Nello: You have a fine turntable -keep enjoying.

My experience with tables/arms/cartridges, phono-stages etc. has been minimal over the past ten years. I'm not one who has the required (current) experience required for a sensible alternative recommendation.

I do not know the pricing of your Rega combination (with arm & cartridge), but an excellent table/arm is the Marantz (Clearaudio?)"TT-1". It's a wonderful sounding kit (with included $800. cartridge). In Canadian dollars, the TT-1 package price (depending on tracker)ranges between $1,800-$2,300. (CA$).

I'd also consider many of Clearaudio's excellent product. Or, perhaps One of Funk Firm's designs. No doubt, there are other equally respected designs available.

I believe you'd find enormous improvements if you could substitute the Rega tonearm (assuming it is a Rega) with another, one offering VTA, Azimuth and height adjustments.

Rega's "spacer" deal (for height adjustment)is the most ridiculous and unnecessary design criteria devised -only from the mind of RG): I envision a man with a closet full of 'superstitions" parading as clever design criteria.

You have a very nice, capable T/T. Keep enjoying !

Happy New Year,

pj

Brother John's picture

You forgot to mention the RP808 tonearm uses the same cheap cartridge wire connections as the RP303 which at $3.000.00 is a crime. Roy Gandy is a cheapskate.

Bigrasshopper's picture

I haven't heard the table, but I like the sound of your adjectives.  One object layered on another, in a brief  rippling rhythm, riding on the slippery "Ss" and coming to rest on a final welcoming subjective impression.  "The RP8 floated a solid, stable, supple and pleasingly silky image between the speakers-" You have a gift for evocative economy without a bit of scarcity.  It's really no wonder that you weren't  using pussycat protection.

jazz and cocktails's picture

that the RP10 looks like an RP8 with the holes filled in, and a wider plinth.

howardk's picture

Hi Mike,

It seems like the RP6 is the "sweet spot" in the Rega lineup.  However, both Stereophile and Analog Planet appear to have skipped over it, instead covering the RP3 and RP8.  Where does the RP6 fit into the price/performance equation of the Rega offerings?

 

 

 

popluhv's picture

I know the P series runs fast (possibly by intention?). Were any of the other RP series previously tested by Stereophile speed checked? 

allhifi's picture

It's been said that listener's find 'sped-up' speed to sound "better/more enjoyable".

Rega, one of the longest standing makers of some really decent sounding tables (with the right arm/cartridge) should have the resources, stability but appear to lack the desire to consider product improvements that have been historically weak.

Indeed, when I read: "I know the P series runs fast (possibly by intention?)" I'd suspect this is either a desirable characteristic for Rega tables or sheer indifference. It's likely a combination of both with a heavenly dash of arrogance.

pj

daniel badman's picture

my rp6 run a bit fast too with the rega drive belts but when i put on the edwards audio little belter drive belt it was spot on don't know if that would make this turntable run on speed or not 

volvic's picture

Don't they purposely run their tables a little faster to compensate for stylus drag? 

coaster92's picture

Is this essentially an internet version of the Stereophile review of the RP8 based on your experinece with that review sample? It's true when you buy a Rega some of that goes to UK labor Brother John and parts costs are curtailed, yea it seems cheap, you are'nt buying Chinese here, when I buy a Rega I am partly helpng a working man to earn a living in the companys home country. At the upper price level of the 8 it does seem a few audiophile spec parts could have been added. But I'd gurantee you Gandy thinks cartridge clips are inaudible. The platter on a P3 used to be more robust and the arm used to have the tungsten weight as standard, and where there was metal is now plastic. Are the changes audible? Has Rega moved things foward in spite of this? you'd have to take out an old 3 and compare to the current version. I have an RP8 slightly fast out of box and I did a reoil with 90w gear oil, now I have never had a Rega more speed true than this. Neither have I ever had a table that sounds this good.  Re Plinth maybe tapping it transmits easily, rather than tap the plinth- put on a record fairly loud and feel the plinth as the music is playing- music vibrations are rejected better than the older plinths. I am convinced Rega factory adjusts their tables to run slightly fast on purpose but will never admit it. Mr. Fremer is correct about Regas being generally fast since his review experience meshes with my user experience even with accounting for stylus drag (and he is to be commended for writing the only recent Rega review I know of to point this out and give criticism where its due, though I do remember a long ago Hi fi choice review of a Rega indicating similar results). I hope they send him an RP10 to take for a spin. Btw Where does Rega say the RP10 has speed control? that would be very un-Rega like. Here is what they say on their site: "Factory set vibration and speed adjustments are then made to the power supply to tune the motor for optimal performance."

Michael Fremer's picture

Yes. Most of my reviews in Analog Corner are not online. Stereophile posts some of the reviews and those will be duplicated here as well. When I spoke with Rega's Phil Freeman at a recent show (they all blur into one and I can't remember which it was) he specifically told me the 10 would have user adjustable speed control. I hope to get a 10 very soon.

tnargs's picture

"low mass, unsuspended turntables.... compared to their lumbering brethren.... its design philosophy of low mass, high rigidity, unsuspended, motor-onboard construction, .... rigid, low mass plinths and modest mass platters....  the company’s latest series of turntables has taken that concept to high tech extremes .... If you thought Rega ‘tables were low mass before, have a look at the new skeletal RP8.... It is the company’s most rigid, lowest mass design yet. .... both ultra-rigid and ultra-low mass.... a plinth that is seven times lighter than that of the original Rega 3"

Having placed so much emphasis on the plinth's low mass, do you happen to know what it weighs, please?

Michael Fremer's picture

Rega says "7 times lighter than the original Planar 3 plinth" but I don't know how heavy that was!

Brother John's picture

clips coaster92 although your thesis about British labor and Mr. Gandy's assessment make perfect sense.

As an owner of an old Rega P25 Turntable I have unfortunate past experience with that companies cheap cartridge clips breaking off while changing cartridges as well as their connectors being too small to fit properly onto the pins of a few non-Rega brands. A more robust clip like the one VPI uses even on their cheapest tonearm doesn't stand the chance of breaking off while mounting new cartridges.
I will not ever purchase another Rega TT because of this Issue.
My next upgrade will most likely be one of the VPI classic models.
VPI products are not manufactured in China either but New Jersey all while avoiding the use of cheap tonearm connections on their $3K turntable/Tonearm and paying their employees a real wage.

FatElvis's picture

I have an RP8 and can confirm that it runs fast. 33.56rpm and 45.53 per Turntabulator app on iPhone. Same app gave me 33.33 on my expertly setup Linn LP12 outfitted with Hercules power supply.

Funny how the Rega tables always seem to run a little fast but never a little slow.

Also can confirm that it sounds fantastic. Would prefer accurate speed.

Jimcorbet's picture

Hi,
As you have a Rega RP8. Can you please share your experience regarding tonearm vibrations at 45 rpm.
Cheers,
Jim

tangoman's picture

I have Rega RP 6 with a few mods like a Groovetracer® reference subplatter and Tangospinner Golden - Brass Pulleys set Triple pulley and the ACRYLIC PLATTER UPGRADE for Rega RP6 turntable 30mm so now I ready to buy the Ortofon MC Cadenza Black Cartridge (Moving Coil and the that sells in Australia for $3000 so just asking everyone out there is this a over kill for the Rega PR 6 ? thanks

Jimcorbet's picture

So I have the Rega RP8 and in my opinion it has a design flaw. Every time I increase the speed of the deck to 45rpm I can feel the vibrations of the motor coming through the tonearm. Yes on a turntable that costs in UK around £2500 the tonearm vibrates. In order to cure the situation I have tried everything from changing the feet to aluminium ones, buying a heavy wooden block, and finally putting a layer of sorbothane underneath the table. But nothing has helped. Reading this article I see that Michael also mentioned that the motor suffers from hum and the plinth is very live, this can only translate into a motor vibration problem. I am not sure why did issue has not been reported widely.

Leyland1671's picture

During all the years REGA has been active in turntable manufacturing, there are still unbelievable statements that come with their products. And those that are essential are still simply ignored. Such as useable technical specifications. Why are the potential customers left in the dark? Is it perhaps the e.g. wow & flutter figures are not so good? Why are those rediculous statements by Gandy as for leaving dust on the records as "the stylus will push that aside" still in their documentations that come with their products? Or that we should not believe other manufacturers' recommendations? These facts alone keep me away from REGA. No matter how the products sound, no matter how popular they might be. Simply not for me. Because I know Gandy did not invent the medium, others did that. And others perfected the medium, not Gandy. In fact during the foundation of REGA there were already pretty good sounding products on the market that still outperform so many modern day turntables, e.g. the DUAL 701. So no, Mr. Gandy. You may be stubbornly continue to influence the newbees, once they heard what good vintage equipment is capable of they will doubt your rediculous statements.

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