Speakers Corner's Kai Seemann Responds to Legrand Review

Upon publication of the Legrand jazz I emailed Speakers Corner president Kai Seemann to let him know about it. He responded.

This is a very interesting and ultimately confusing story we will stay on top of until all of the questions are answered but here's what he told me:

He claims my facts regarding ownership of the recording are wrong. Seemann says that in fact, Philips owns the recording, which today is owned by Universal Music and that his reissue's cover art is the actual original artwork.

That would mean that Philips convinced Columbia Records to use its studios and its premier jazz talent Miles Davis and the others to record this album, which Philips then licensed back to Columbia. That's a curious turn of events, especially since Columbia had released previous Legrand albums but it's also possible that those titles were also licensed by Columbia from Philips!

Now here's where it gets really weird! Seemann says that the tape he used was "the original master" stored in Paris and that Speakers Corner was "directed to it" by Michel Legrand's manager!

The tapes went to Willem Makkee (shown in the photo of him I took at the Berliner cutting facility some years ago) who cut lacquers at his Greenlight Studios. That's the first news we have that Mr. Makkee, far from retiring when he left Berliner, is still cutting. That's good news!

Seemanns says he will ask Mr. Makkee if he agrees that the tape is "pseudo stereo."

I offered to digitize my Columbia original if necessary but so far that offer had not been accepted.

Mr. Seemann was cordial in his response, but he asked why I did not drop him a note in advance before publishing the review. What do you think? Should we publish first and notify? Or ask first and publish later.

We'll let you know what Mr. Makkee has to say about this curious case!

COMMENTS
Jim Tavegia's picture

I love this stuff.  MF will dig out all the fact and I thank him for that. 

What becomes clear is this is one wacky business. Tapes hidden everywhere, in some cases only "The Shadow"  knows. 

Paul Boudreau's picture

...would seem to make sense, assuming there's an obvious person to ask.

Jim Tavegia's picture

The 4th paragraph deserves further review...since most lables guard their wares with threats of physical force and lawyers. This story seems bizare. 

deckeda's picture

Philips may own it but that doesn't mean they've always owned it. And if they've owned it for many years it's easy for a CEO to get confused. Trolling eBay I saw a Philips-label version of this (UK pressing) but with the original artwork, Phillips logo included there. I think the seller said it was from around 1980?

The takeaway here is that labels ignore the past --- it simply doesn't exist for them. Look on any artist's or label's site and click on the Discography link (if one even exists ...) and all you'll find is what's available for sale today. Today's verison, today's media or download.

So was this ever released after the ownership change, at least in Europe, with the ugly red, bad-Photoshop-looking artwork shown here? If so, again that's history being rewritten but would explain the "original artwork" stance.

A shootout between the CS1250/CS8079 and more common, mono CL1250 would be interesting if they were both dedicated mixes. Hell, compare the Speakers Corner to the Wax-Time since those are "what's available." (kidding) (sorta)

deckeda's picture

Should we publish first and notify? Or ask first and publish later.

Questions of provenance are everywhere. MF and ML over on the sister site audiostream.com sound the bell quite often.

This is the kind of thing that can get crazy, fast. If I were to propose anything, it'd be something simple.

- If the record jacket, press release or other published source makes a provenance claim, report it.

- If the provencance claim doesn't make sense or comflicts in some way with previous knowledge, or is incomplete, ask before publishing but don't wait around if they don't respond. Labels don't often really know the full provenance. The past doesn't interest them very much.

- All questions of provenance must be detailed and explicit because a label's definiiton of "original master" or "from the original tapes" often means they made a digital copy from them first, as if the intermediary step is of no consequence due to assumed utter tranparency. Read Baird's piece about EMI's classical archive remasters as to why engineers today don't consider digitizing to be a potential problem: EMI Remasters Its Classical Catalog for SACD

floweringtoilet's picture

as a reader I primarily want you to report what you hear, which is what you did in this case. If there are questions raised by the review that the manufacturer can answer, by all means allow them to do so in a follow up.

Issues such as who owns the tapes, whether mono tapes still exist, whether there are true stereo tapes, etc. are interesting, but secondary to the quality of the product, IMO.

Travis Klersy's picture

I think you should publish your opinions regarding the sound and pressing quality of a record (and the quality of the jacket/inserts/etc.) and then allow companies to respond if they wish.  

I understand that sometimes the reality these companies have to deal with is less than ideal.  That does not, however, change the fact they sometimes release a dud.

Moko's picture

I own a japanese pressing of this album which sounds great, but I'm pretty sure this album was made as a condition from Legrand of his signing with Columbia. At the time he was pretty hot stuff and Columbia who knew that he was a huge jazz fan decided that allowing Legrand the indulgance of using their jazz stars & studio would be a small price to pay for getting him to sign with them when his film scores would earn them millions.

Michael Fremer's picture

I find the comments posted here so thoughtful and more than that, useless in formulating site policy going forward. It's really a good feeling knowing that smart folks read this site. So thank you all.

Michael Fremer's picture

I find the comments posted here so thoughtful and more than that, useless in formulating site policy going forward. It's really a good feeling knowing that smart folks read this site. So thank you all.

deckeda's picture

Hey, I've never pretended anything I've contributed was better than useless!

CarlP's picture

 

I have a CD reissue on Philips (830 074-2) that is P 1986 Phonogram S.A., Paris. Remastered by Gert van Hoeyen, prepared by Cees Schrama. Interesting notes by Max Harrison. Included are some fascinating photos from the sessions.

The sound is very good and is definitely stereo. Don't know if the album was popular with jazz fans, but for musicians it was one of the great big-band albums of that era.

rl1856's picture

Was it possible that Phillips owned the rights to European issue, and retained possession of the master that was sent to them back in the day?  If so, then it is possible that there is some truth in their explanation of provenance and they may be working from "their" original master.    That said, I applaud your efforts to discover and verify provenance for reissues.  Sometimes the tales are fascinating, sometimes mundane, but always interesting.   The history should be a part of the reissue review, warts and all.  Sometimes questions are asked, but answers are not forthcoming....that should be part of the review as well.   Keep up the good work.   

Bob D.'s picture

Depends on what your talking about. If it's technical details, I'd say ask rather then speculate.

On the sound quality, no, you have no obligation to let a company know your opinion before publishing. It's your opinion, your job.

If Speakers Corner listened to their Legrand Jazz and thought it was good sound then they can't hear. I mean did they bother to listen to any early version??? All they had to do is listen to ten seconds of the Philips CD from the 90's or any copy of the Columbia LP to know the tape they used was bad.

I heard the Speaker Corner version when it fist was released and could not believe it was not some sort of defective record...awful.

jazz's picture

Speakers Corner in my opinion doesn't have much luck either with their Musical choice nor with the Sound compared to US Releases now with doubles done by them an AP etc.

And as this article suggests, even not with their background research

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